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My Ishmael

My Ishmael

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Rating: 4 stars
Summary: Save the Planet, and Tie-up Loose Ends
Review: Daniel Quinn's My Ishmael is the third installment in his "Save the Earth" trilogy (Ishmael, The Story of B, and finally, My Ishmael). In this book, Ishmael, the telepathic gorilla, attempts to seal up some of his many loose ends found in Quinn's previous two installments by relaying his knowledge to a 12 year-old girl. I liked the first two books enough to keep on reading, however, Quinn's style takes a grain of salt to take it all in.

The entire concept of the Quinn's books are to convey to the reader that we "civilized" humans have developed, and entrenched ourselves, in a system of living that is doomed to fail. It's not an anti-capitalism, pro-socialist treatise per se, however, most of the tenets of capitalism could be found flawed in Quinn's assessment. Basically, Ishmael (Quinn) has determined that native peoples have survived for hundreds of thousands of years longer than "civilized" peoples because: a) tribal cultures don't lock up their food so that you have to buy it (this locking up of food results in poverty, war, and dissent, according to Quinn); b) hunter/gather societies (with some agriculture) have been able to sustain their likelihood without disrupting family, wealth (in tribal terms), prosperity, and the environment.

Contrary to this, are the tenets of our "civilized" society. They lock up food (a substance that should be free to all humans just like air or water) and place it in the power of the wealthy who then redistribute it to those who can pay for it. This basic concept (capitalism, essentially) spawns a vast array of problems: poverty for those that can't afford to pay for the simple necessities of life (no tribal system would allow any of its members to go hungry, simply because that would mean the degradation of the tribe); family degradation, war over who owns what, and crime in general because basic necessities are no longer open for the taking. Also, this "civilized" system can only grow and live if it constantly consumes (with no regard to replacing that which it consumes). So, on this note, Quinn is quite right; we cannot continually consume. There is simply not enough resources to sustain our population (and what do we do when we run out of resources? Traditionally, we destroy or displace other populations to gain their resources).

So, we're all supposed to revert to some grand-scale tribal system (also known as socialism to some)? The 12 year-old girl asks exactly this. Ishmael (Quinn) makes a strong point here that he has never suggested such a thing. He is merely pointing out the flaws, and suggesting a starting point to fixing the problem. I can buy that on some levels, but mostly, he is suggesting that tribal systems are better than our current system, which is true on many levels, but a tribal system of living would be impossible with over 6 billion people on the planet (which, to Quinn's defense, he poignantly acknowledges).

Overall, it's a good read even if it leaves the reader with a million more questions (which I supposes is the whole point). Quinn leads the reader to believe in each of these books that his message is complete when in fact, it is far from it. He leads one to believe that he's done his job as a "Save the world" teacher when in fact he leads much to be desired. However, with that said, Quinn's book is definitely worth reading (start with the first book Ishmael). Even his conclusions are naive, they raise some vital questions about where our culture is heading. With all his flaws, Quinn is a must, if only to get you thinking in a completely different direction: can we continue to consume without replenishment, and while capitalism has proven extremely fruitful, is there a better form of capitalism that is more conducive to global prosperity on all levels?

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: 12 years old?
Review: I wanted to write a positive review of My Ishmael but everyone else's reviews have covered all the great points. Instead I'd like to bring up the main character. She's a 12 year old girl named Julie. Perhaps its because Daniel Quinn was never a 12 year old girl, but it seems to me that her vocabulary and lines of thought don't exactly match the age. Even if you consider the character is 16 when telling the story. I thought this was annoying at first, then I realized something. The girl's age was perfect for the book. Her dialogues with Ishmael were perfect as well. It came to me when I considered that she was picking up what Ishmael was saying and taking it further because she had far fewer years of Mother Culture's taint on her. She still had the wide eyed quizical probing child in her. It made sense in that respect and I certainly didn't feel the same way towards her character after that. She did have a place, even if sometimes she seemed much older and wiser than she was.

Like Ishmael and Story of B, I am again absolutely amazed at what Quinn has accomplished here. Great job!

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: My Ishmael Review
Review: I really enjoyed reading My Ishmael. It has a very unusual point of view and opens up new ideas. It is good for people to read who want a new outlook on the changes of human culture and how it has changed throughout history. It talks about how humans have a negative effect on the earth and how it is possible and necessary for the human culture to change.

Rating: 4 stars
Summary: Slow at first, but gets much better.
Review: Maybe I made a mistake of not reading Ishmael before reading My Ishmael: A Sequel. I was aware of the concepts in Ishmael, the talking gorilla, the fate of society, our culture, etc., but I was not aware of what exactly was brought up in Ishmael that might be re-treaded in this sequel for a more youthful readership.

The book follows the same pattern of Ishmael, except the narrator this time is a twelve year-old girl writing about her talks with the gorilla Ishmael four years after they took place. For a twelve year-old she bandies words like "Vis a vis" and "Ipso facto" a little too naturally to be believable, especially when most of her interjections are of the likes of "Gee" and "Duh". But this can be chalked up to a middle-aged man trying to dump copious amounts of heavy thinking through the narrative of a girl, so it is not that big of a deal. (Though the frequent pauses of ten minutes or longer in the conversations hint that Quinn does not grasp how long ten minutes is when silently starring at a person, especially a gorilla.)

I had read The Story of B before reading this, so I was a least aware of what Quinn is trying to do with these books. Judging from what I learned in The Story of B, My Ishmael tells enough of what was said before to familiarize the reader and then takes his ideas down a different path. In this case the gorilla Ishmael's discussions discuss our culture, the problems we all have, the purpose of education, and ultimately tries to help the narrator, and hopefully the reader to come to terms with the fate of our culture in this world and what might be done to help things. No definite solutions are given, but Quinn does a better job of trying than anybody else I have encountered. For that I must give him respect.

The first third of the book comes in jumps and starts, setting up for the middle third which makes for the best and most edifying reading. Somewhere three quarters into the work the thinking ends and a plot begins. A plot should be a good thing for a novel, but in a world where a talking Gorilla tries to play a modern day Socrates to a girl about how to save the world, the plot is more or less distracting. Nevertheless, My Ishmael gave me ideas and thoughts I would never had without reading it, and for that it is worth reading.

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: Ishmail is awesom My Ishmael is even better!
Review: Quinn is the man! You know a book is good when it tells you something that you already kind of know but with a clarity and confidence that defines what you'be been wanting to make of it. For those who deny the first book because, "A talking gorilla come on." are missing a bigger picture and are not giving the book its propper due. People should try to worry about the message not the messanger.

Ishmael started a lesson with Allen in the first book and teaches another similar yet very different lesson to Julie. My life is better for reading both these books and I know others who feel the same. You CAN make a difference and Ishmael sheds a little light on how. You can't find a solution if you don't know the problem. Daniel Quinn and Ishmail try to define that problem and it's up to you to help solve it! Great great books both Ishmael and My Ishmael. If you don't like Ishmael don't be too critical on those who do. Every negative review that I've read mentioned that "a talking gorilla" is rediculous, and the plot was boring, and the characters are dull and it's just a diolog, well that is basically true but I try to see the forest through the trees. My Ishmail is in fact very exciting as is Ishmael. I read Ishmael and immediately went out and bought the second book (My Ishmael) and couldn't put it down. Quinn offers an important message, even if you don't agree at least you can understand his message and maybe even offer another.

Rating: 2 stars
Summary: Pre-chewed food
Review: I borrowed "My Ishmael" from my seatmate on a transcontinental flight. The style is pedantic and ponderous, offering a few simplistic concepts repeated with only narrative variation rather than any sort of logical progression. This book will appeal to those looking for simple, quasi-mystical answers to to personal feelings of need and inadequacy. I hope it makes people feel better because it certainly won't inform them or teach them to think more critically.

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: Essential Follow-Up
Review: If you love ISHMAEL, you will also love MY ISHMAEL. Unlike THE STORY OF B (by far my favorite of the triology)MY ISHMAEL was spun from the same story line as ISHMAEL, and is PG13 enough for those parents who worry about feeding a STORY OF B-type book to their teenager. An essential piece of work for Quinn fans.

Rating: 5 stars
Summary: Ishmael and More!
Review: After reading Ishmael I felt like my eyes and mind had been stretched wide open, but I had questions... Many of those were answered in My Ishmael, as well as offering some new ideas on adolescemce and our culture's ineffective educational system. Read it, read it, read it!

Rating: 3 stars
Summary: Quinn spells it out for ya'
Review: This is the third Quinn I've read (Ishmael then Story of B, being the other two), and I felt that, as a novel, it was quite poorly written, and somewhat uninteresting. But as far as putting forth his theories, this is Quinn's most lucid work (out of the one's I've read obviously). I think one of Quinn's strengths is that he is able to pack such a powerful - and actually quite simplistic - message into a fictional novel; he keeps the reader interested in the theory by keeping the reader interested in the story. Now, that's not to say that Quinn's ideas could not stand alone in a non-fiction work, for I believe they certainly can. But as a fictional writer, he is able to find a balance between theory and story, and I dont' think he achieved that here.

Rating: 4 stars
Summary: The Student becomes the Teacher
Review: I am a high school student who was lead to beleive My Ishmael was a required reading. I later found out that it wasn't. When I found that out, I hated the book, just for getting in my way. After I read it, I was left confused and unsure of how I felt about the book. So I didn't recommend it to any one and I said that it was horrible. After a while though, I began to see the themes of the novel in everyday life. Quinn's points began to make sense, and I began to think he had some real points. I especially like sharing his points of views on school with my Teachers and Parents. I give the book four stars because it deals with a critical issue many would choose to ignore, such as the welfare of the world. I truely believe that people fear change and My Ishmael addresses that fear through the lifestyles of the Takers. I recommend this book to anyone over the age of 13. The book goes on many tangents, and many stories, but the themes run deep and are worth paying attention to. This book will open your eyes to somethings otherwise overlooked.


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